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1.7 should be red text'd in the next update
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 9:57 pm
by joecinq03
Reasons:
- The gameplay changes are significant enough to warrant it.
- It forces people from 1.5/1.6 to likely at least try it once.
- It's incredibly annoying to have to scan the playerlist and repeatedly communicate with the host and player that they need 1.7 or it's going to revert to 1.6 gameplay.
- Going from that last point, active public beta testing to any extent is severely limited because hosts are just conceding to one or two people having 1.6, thus making it a pointless affair in testing the gameplay changes.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 10:23 pm
by Pyro
You already posted about this.
If those hosts you described don't want to get 1.7, making 1.7 not compatible with 1.6 and 1.5.1 won't change that. Because if the hosts don't switch to a 1.7 that is not compatible with other versions, then the players on those games will revert to 1.6/1.5.1 because the host won't go to 1.7.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:09 pm
by GodzFire
Once 1.7 is released as final I know I won't play with anyone on 1.5.1.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:27 pm
by joecinq03
reread what i posted:
- It's incredibly annoying to have to scan the playerlist and repeatedly communicate with the host and player that they need 1.7 or it's going to revert to 1.6 gameplay.
Means the host has 1.7, a player doesn't, so you have to communicate with both the host and the player about the gameplay inevitably reverting to 1.6/1.5
& I re-posted it (and expanded upon the idea) because it is a legitimate argument and no one bothered to respond.
Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 11:36 pm
by Baak
I understand what he's saying.
Perhaps it would be a good idea to have the 1.7 betas do this since it's the host who is choosing whether or not to play [test] 1.7?
Then once it goes final, have it revert to the "allow 1.6, etc" stuff.
Or better yet, have a host option whether or not to "allow 1.6, etc". Personally, when I'm hosting 1.6 I don't want anyone playing anything less than the latest build. Otherwise I'd host 1.5.
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:24 am
by Pyro
So checking if there isn't any compatibility issues with 1.6/1.5.1 isn't considered testing? I imagine the devs made it this way because they were unsure how it would be taken at first. Meaning, they wanted to make sure people wouldn't be forced to download it unless they really want to beta test it. Hosts have control over how can or cannot play in their games. Don't concede and you get 1.7 only. Though a 1.7 only or a "this version only" host option would be ideal.
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:32 am
by joecinq03
people can just as easily not download it?
Hosts do have control but my point is that they are deferring to just playing 1.6, thus nothing gameplay wise in 1.7 is being tested with any regularity - something which I believe can be improved with 1.7 being incompatible with 1.6/1.5.1 for now.
This would not be such an issue with a community larger than myth's but alas.
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 12:34 am
by Pyro
I never said I didn't understand what you were saying. Just throwing ideas as to why it was probably done the way it was. I just try to work with what I have until the next build is out.
Posted: Sat May 09, 2009 1:44 pm
by Autumn Demon
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