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Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 2:15 pm
by Surlythrall
Hi everyone :)

I was thinking about the Prince of Nothing series by the Canadian author Scott R. Bakker, and realised that the idea of Ishual and Kellhus and how this particular human species had bred themselves to almost god like levels would have been very fitting in the Myth World.

The jist is that a group of survivors from the first Apocalypse set themselves up in a remote and secret fortress hidden in the mountains to isolate themselves from the rest of humanity (what was left of it). Over the many centuries they interbred and only the smartest/strongest offspring were allowed to thrive, they called themselves (Dunyain) the tribe of truth.They became a deeply unsettling and impassive religious sect that sought to master themselves and renounce all worldly desires and emotions. They follow something called the logos and do not mingle with world born men. Anyways, one of their number is dispatched to assassinate a rogue member (who happens to be his father making threats). Turns out that the father has become very powerful during his twenty years among the world-born men and has even mastered sorcery (and how) which the Dunyain did their best to suppress back home.

The Dunyain are extremely intelligent fellows and have incredible martial abilities, but they manipulate normal people by reading their facial expressions and other nuances, and are oblivious to love and honour etc. They care nothing for ordinary people and use them to meet their own ends. As is well established in the books, normal people are little more than children compared to them. Kellhus is a cunt in short but gets implicated in trying to prevent the second apocalypse which his father uncovered.

Anyway, to anyone thats read any of the books - do you agree that something similar to Ishual and breeding superior beings would have suited the idea of the Hero in the Myth universe. Even half-blooded Dunyain are far above their ordinary peers - their blood makes them natural born leaders and extremely powerful ruthless men.

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 6:01 pm
by juliocpaes
Hi Surlythrall,

I do not know nothing about this author, but researched, and I found it interesting the "world map" that him did, is very similar to our map myth;

http://soulsmithy.com/2010/11/10/wednes ... tt-bakker/

cool guy. :wink:

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 6:50 pm
by Surlythrall
His books are well worth a read :)

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 7:11 pm
by Pyro
Interesting story, Surlythrall. I have never read any of those books, but as julio pointed out that is a nice map. Maybe you, Surlythrall, could use the books and come up with some campaign based on that. :wink:

Wouldn't it make more sense to say that description fits more for the Leveler? Since it uses the hero that last defeated him for his next reincarnation.

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Tue May 29, 2012 8:40 pm
by juliocpaes
Pyro wrote:Interesting story, Surlythrall. I have never read any of those books, but as julio pointed out that is a nice map. Maybe you, Surlythrall, could use the books and come up with some campaign based on that. :wink:

Wouldn't it make more sense to say that description fits more for the Leveler? Since it uses the hero that last defeated him for his next reincarnation.
Yeah ! Us need a good campaign !

Let us listing some: chimera, the sister blade, Freedom, TSoT_SoloCampaign, and others that I can not remember right now.

very cool, when it appears a new map "solo campaign". :)

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 7:09 am
by Surlythrall
The interesting thing is that in the books the supreme evil is called the no-god that was initially summoned into the world by an ancient sorcerer type race which used a form of magic called the tekne to craft minions and birth their own twisted pet races. The followers of these ancient sorcerers still live and are but a fairytale to modern men (except an order of magi who were founded to never let the world forget the events of the first apocalypse, but are mostly laughed at) and they secretly pave the way for the no-gods second coming (two thousand years since his first). They are warped shape-shifters who seek the seal the world from the gods to prevent their own damnation.

After reading the most recent books some months ago I was under the impression that Kellhus is on his way to becoming a vessel of some sort for the no-god. Thats not a spoiler or anything, just what I thought may happen from the events in the book.

It occurred to me that the idea of a separate line of warriors breeding to propagate superior people would have been interesting if it fit into Myth.

Of course its not to say that they have to be uncaring assholes XD

They are greatly feared by the dark and its very possible that that at least one of them becomes an instrument of the dark. In the book you have Kellhus uniting the world and solidifying the empire, similar to what Connacht would have done.

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:08 am
by zarkwar
This all sounds suspiciously LoTR. It'd be hard to write a medieval-fantasy "good v. evil" that didn't but still. :wink:

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 1:43 pm
by A-Red
Definitely nothing like LoTR. Early on, it's more like nominally-on-the-right-side vs. in-the-way than good vs. evil, and then later it sounds like it will be nominally-on-the-right-side vs. totally-unrecognizable. The first three books read something like a cross between Game of Thrones and Total War, but a comparison to Myth isn't inappropriate by any means. They're very dark, and they involve disproportionately powerful people manipulating everyone else (on both sides).

I can't say I loved them per se; for one thing, there isn't any character who you can actually *like*. But they're powerful, and I'd recommend the read, at least through the second and third volumes.

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 5:08 pm
by juliocpaes
Nobody ever wrote a book of stories about the myth chronicles? :?

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:04 am
by A-Red
juliocpaes wrote:Nobody ever wrote a book of stories about the myth chronicles? :?
I did:
http://tain.totalcodex.net/items/show/f ... de-of-gray

Re: Scott R. Bakker

Posted: Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:26 am
by juliocpaes
A-Red wrote:
juliocpaes wrote:Nobody ever wrote a book of stories about the myth chronicles? :?
I did:
http://tain.totalcodex.net/items/show/f ... de-of-gray
Hi A-red,

Oh yes,How did I forgot ?! sorry,
I would give you an idea: Put image in the most significant chapters, as in a book with engravings? would be interesting for imagine best a scenes,whats you think?

Julio