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Posted: Thu May 12, 2005 10:47 am
by Baak
Just checking on the status of an Amber app for Windows.
Know Melekor was working on WinAmber, but it's been a year since the last news I heard... [Last WinAmber Post]
Perhaps he or Vodi (he wrote the original Amber, right?) could Open Source the code and it could become a mini-Magma project?
OMG - you guys could whip this out in a weekend! 
Hint - hint - hint - hint!
Posted: Sat May 14, 2005 12:58 pm
by Melekor
WinAmber has been superceded by Oak. Oak reuses a lot of the WinAmber code, but it is no longer windows only. The entire GUI is rendered with OpenGL and will be totally crossplatform.
The eventual goal is to make Oak The complete Myth editing tool (that is, all formats). However, collection files and models will be the main focus for now since that's obviously most important.
For the last month and a bit, I was working on updating the windows side of Myth (see this thread), but now Oak development will resume at full steam.
Oak will not be open sourced right now, but I will say this: I promise that if for any reason I am unable to continue development, Oak will be opensourced immediately.
Screenshots are forthcoming, hopefully by the end of today. I will make another post when they are up.
Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 2:15 am
by Melekor
All right, I managed to get a screenshot up at the site. Unfortunately it doesn't show off many of Oak's current capabilities. It's just a matter of getting some more GUI stuff ready before I can post some better ones, so that shouldn't take too long.
Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:53 am
by William Wallet
I wish this sort of thing was around when I was actively making things. Who knows.
Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 5:07 pm
by Baak
Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:19 pm
by Horus
Looking at the screen I see something called a epilogue dialog.
Is that per chance the place where you set which Mesh the epilogue journal is played after?
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Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 11:32 pm
by Melekor
Would it be possible to get an "Oak Lite" (mb call it "Acorn"? :;):) that would do the collection files (including sequences, etc. - the stuff that can't be done on Windows right now) and mb models? Then the other goodies could come in later versions?
That's exactly what I was planning to do Baak, release it in "stages" as I add support for more formats. But I never thought of giving each major release a cool codename like "Acorn". I love it!
Using your idea, here's a little roadmap for the future. One thing to keep in mind is that the ammount of work to support collections and models is probably larger than all the other formats combined.
Oak 0.25 "Acorn" (mostly a preview release, just to see if it works on everyone's computer, iron out those kinds of issues)
-archives/plugins
-local folders, archive building
-sound files (wav<->myth)
-collections(viewing only)
-models(viewing, export only)
Oak 0.5 "Sapling"
-full collection editing
Oak 0.75 "Young Oak"
-full model editing
Oak 1.0 "Patriarch"
-all other formats(but only fear-type support for meshes)
All this is tentative of course but I think this sounds like a pretty good schedule. What do you think? Also, thanks for all your words of support. Posts like yours are the ones that make me want to keep going :;):
Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 11:34 pm
by Melekor
Looking at the screen I see something called a epilogue dialog.
Is that per chance the place where you set which Mesh the epilogue journal is played after?
The epilogue dialog tag is the dialog template for the post-game screen. The one where it displays the victory/defeat picture, shows your damage and kill ratios, has the "next level" button, etc. Oak may support dialog editing late in the game, around 1.0 (see above)
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 2:35 am
by Baak
I think your roadmap looks *GREAT* and I'm pleased you liked the naming idea. 
I am extremely excited we'll *finally* be able to work with so many things previously unavailable for us PC'ers! I've been debating buying a used Mac *just* to gain access to Amber...
Do you have an "Official Oak Page" for status updates etc. other than the screenshots? Just curious.
Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 4:04 am
by William Wallet
speaking of epilogues...
Personally I hate it how in latter versions of Myth, epilogues don't play anymore. I worked long and hard when I wrote mine!
Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 8:29 pm
by Melekor
Do you have an "Official Oak Page" for status updates etc. other than the screenshots? Just curious.
Not at the moment. Once I have enough content, I will replace that lame "coming soonâ„¢" page with the "Official Oak Page". Don't expect anything too fancy though, I'm not exactly a 1337 html coder. :p
Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 8:49 pm
by Horus
William Wallet wrote:speaking of epilogues...
Personally I hate it how in latter versions of Myth, epilogues don't play anymore. I worked long and hard when I wrote mine!
The thing is if you touch 25 Soulblighter "The Forge" mesh, at all the epilogue will not play. What is the cause of that problem I do not know.
I do believe that in either 1.3.2 or 1.4 you could have it activate on whichever level was last. (ie wasn't succeeded by any other mesh).