Should there be a Universal Binary?

[Lugas]

If it works good on a 1.83 Ghz MBP that's good!

[toffuuu]

it works yes but could be better...

[Scratch]

Lugas, don't take this wrong, but after you read a post, do you actually remember what you read before typing in a response?

Didn't think so.

I do have a 15" 2 GHz MacBook Pro, with 2GB memory and 256 MB non-shared VRAM. Myth 2 in all it's incarnations runs like p00p. In-game the frame-rates aren't great, 20-30 or so using the latest build of 1.5.2 (278). Where it really sucks hind tit is pregame, lobby and prefs.

My old TiBook G4 550 runs circles around this 2GHz Beast with Myth II under OS9.

The Windows XP Bootcamp partition runs Myth II just fine, but doesn't support my lowly Apple USB External Modem. Myth III runs perfectly peachy as-is on OSX.

So the answer a definite yes!!!! We do need a UB for Intel Macs.
Am I impatient about it? Not really.

How about before you spout an opinion, gather the real data that has already been presented a few times in these forums. Causes less blood pressure problems for some of us. :nocomment:

[Scratch]

cant the mac os now run on all windows computers as well.... I mean how long before the clone wars start again.

I plan to play myth on my g3 wallstreet with os 9 that way i know its utilzing all its power. and i think ill use my xp weilding pc for chess...

Running even hacked versions of OSX on non-Apple hardware is and always has been illegal. You might just have it backwards as Windows XP does run on Intel Macs.

If my old TiBook wasn't barely hanging on I wouldn't gripe about the UB situation as much. :laugh:

[Lugas]

How about before you spout an opinion, gather the real data that has already been presented a few times in these forums. Causes less blood pressure problems for some of us. :nocomment:

That's what I'm trying to do right now. I am politely asking people about their performance on an Intel Mac. Take this as an example:

it works yes but could be better...

. This is saying that Myth 2 works fine on a "greater" MacBook Pro 15-inch, but there is leaving a lot to be desired. Also, this is a mixed report. toffuuu is saying it runs fine, but you're saying it runs very bad and I'm guessing you're feeling dissapointed at this. I think there is a need for a UB; but there is no rush at all at the minute. I'm not getting an Intel Mac until (at least) the majority of my favourite games are ported to Intel.

Also, about Intel Macs running Windows. I think it's fine that they work on Intels through Windows, but Rosetta should be doing this anyway. (Rosetta doesn't usually do a good job at this and is highly overestimated.)

[TarousZars]

Due to recent world events I think that it is critical that a universal binary be made as quickly as possible. Delay could cause headaches and frown's and all manner of unpleasantness.

Please CIK and Myrd. You should code the whole weekend if you have to, but we really really need a Universal Binary by next thursday.

[TarousZars]

I have recieved further information regarding the need for a universal binary.
I checked with the experts known as FedEx and this is what they had to say.

Estimated delivery Jun 13, 2006 7:00 PM

This new information has led me to believe that it is imperative that a universal binary be finished no later than 19:15 MDT this coming tuesday.

I urge the masterminds known as Myrd and CIK to code as quickly as possible in order to prevent uncertain doom.

Yours Respectfully,

Tarous Zars



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[toffuuu]

:laugh:

[iron]

Of course, if the good folks @ http://darwine.sf.net coded over a few weekends I'm sure we'd be able to run Windows apps natively on an intel Mac under OSX - ie no boot camp needed etc.

Actually ... they do already have the libraries you can compile against. I wonder if it'd be possible to make a UB against their libraries using the windows myth code base?

[TarousZars]

My experience trying to run myth on fedora with wine was sub par. but i'm sure it could be made workable if it was tweaked.



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[TarousZars]

Report from the Intel World.
So I got my iMac from FedEx on Tuesday and here's what I see.

My new Specs.
Model: 20" iMac
Processor: 2GHZ Intel Core Duo
VRAM: 256MB
RAM: 2GB
HD: 250GB 7200rpm
Screen Resolution: 1680x1050

Old Specs.
Model: 12" Powerbook
Processor: 1GHZ PowerPC
VRAM: 32MB
RAM: 768MB
HD: 40GB 5200rpm
Screen Resolution: 1024x768

I get just about the same FPS on the iMac as I did on the Powerbook. Highest around 60, usually around 20-30 lowest 6. On my old powerbook when you killed the pathfinder on RoTD it would drop me to about 4fps, goes to about 6 on the iMac. In my experience low fps doesn't hurt gameplay until you get under 10 fps. Under 10 you start to get what what very much seems like lag, but is just your computer choking.

I've found the experience quite doable, but not great. For a long time on my powerbook I've wished I didn't get drop below 10fps, but It only happens on extremely hectic situations like on RoTD, so I've lived with it. I was really afraid I would have to continue using my powerbook to play because the iMac using rosetta would have performed worse, which imo would have been unplayable.

I still really look forward to a UB, but unlike Macbook Pro owners like Scratch, I can play myth as is.



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[CIK]

[quote="CIK"]The reason I said Xeon is because that is the only solution Intel will be shipping that can a 4 core solution(dual 2-core chips). And to replace the current 2.7 ghz 4 core G5 with something that is a good speed bump you are gonna need something like the new dual core Xeons.



Did I call this or what..........

Anyways we are hard at work debugging the Universal App for Myth II......

[Lugas]

Do you reckon the Myth 2 Universal would run okay on those massively beefed up and loaded Mac Pros?

[CIK]

heh I'd make sure you buy the 3ghz quad model just to be safe.

[Lugas]

I'm not buying any Intel models soon, unless my iMac G5, eMac or Mac Minis knack themselves. Or if we need a powerful computer. Mac Pro could be one I'd want to buy, if made a little less expensive. Also, none of the others have had the price reduced. Also, I've asked this several times, but would the Universal version run badly on Mac Minis and MacBooks that have shared VRAM? Note: They both seem to share 64 MB from the Main Memory for use with Graphics.