The 9 & TFL - Bringing all our information together

[GodzFire]

After doing some forum digging on PlayMyth awhile back, and with all our talk about Avatara lately, I thought this topic might be of some interest. What do we all know about The 9, and The Fallen Lords? Here's what I've been able to scrap together.

THE NINE

According to the Myth beta, there are 14 Avatara names:

Caliban
Malagigi
Cu Roi
Forgall Manach
Hreidmar
Enkidu
Tfear
Fei Llawn
Cu Chulain
Diarmuid
Maeldun
Gilgamesh
Roland
Beowulf

What caught my attention was it lists Cu Roi and Maeldun, but there's no mention of Alric, Murgen or Rabican who are mentioned in the final game.

(Credit Killswith)

We have the following Avatar we know:
- Alric
- Rabican
- Maeldun
- Murgen
- Cu Roi


THE FALLEN LORDS

I originally began thinking about this back when Josh & Dan's "Myth's Story" site (the content of which is now part of this site) pointed out the existance of Myth:TFL pre-release info at Eidios' web site (Eidios was Bungie's European publisher). On this site were given six names for the six Fallen Lords:

* Soulblighter
* The Voiceless One
* Bahl'al
* The Deceiver
* Bonesplitter
* The Faceless Man

The first three were listed as "ancient evils", while the latter three were "turned from the light".

With the release of GURPS Myth, we have an even more complete picture of the Fallen Lords' names. The relevant new information it gives are:
- Bahl'al is definitely The Watcher
- Soulblighter is also called Anshar, Patron of the Hanged.
- Shiver's true name is Culwyeh! She is also called Mother of Plagues and First Lady of the Fallen. The Voiceless One is listed as a separate Lord, named Ravanna, Loveless Child of the Unwed Dawn, but it it mentioned that because The Deceiver called Shiver "Ravanna" in Myth II that Shiver and The Voiceless One may somehow be the same person, yet still different...
- A new Fallen Lord is revealed! The Lurker (Bheil), Twice-Born Daughter of Flood and Famine

Of the original prerelease names, Bahl'al, Soulbligher, The Deceiver, and The Voiceless One are now concretely known. This leaves Bonesplitter and The Faceless Man. Since The Lurker is female, she is obviously not the Faceless MAN. So The Lurker is Bonesplitter. And if you count Shiver and The Voiceless One as one Lord, despite them somehow being separate people as well (and this is the topic for a whole 'nother Delusion), then that leaves room for one last, unknown Fallen Lord - appropriately titled The Faceless Man. So our final (perhaps) list goes:

- Soulblighter (Damas, Anshar), Twice Born, Patron of the Hanged
- The Deceiver (Myrdred), Source of the Five Hundred Poisons
- Shiver / The Voiceless One (Culwyeh / Ravanna), Mother of Plagues, First Lady of the Fallen / Loveless Child of the Unwed Dawn
- The Watcher (Bahl'al), Mad Goat of the Fens
- Bonesplitter, The Lurker (Bheil), Bonesplitter, Twice-born Daughter of Flood and Famine
- The Faceless Man

(Credit Myth.Bungie.Org)

Now for some reason why I think about Bonesplitter, her Twice Born tag leads me to believe that she is the daughter of Damas & Ravanna. On the other hand, the Watcher's real name, Bahl'al, sounds quite similar to Bheil. I dunno.

What I DO think is that we've had the answer for who the last Fallen Lord was for awhile now; at least since Myth III came out. It's Moagim! Sound crazy? Look at this informaton from a few sites I found:

Moagim, the faceless one, serves as a suitably terrible and formidable opponent throughout the game.

(Credit GameSpot)

Together, the heroes fought with the human emperor Connacht the Wolf against the evil influence of Moagim, the faceless one who spread his nightmarish Myrkridia and Trow slavers across the lands.

(Credit BlueSmoke)

Moagim Reborn - Known as the Faceless Terror, Moagim died a thousand years ago at the end of the Age of Reason. But his death was too late - he was altogether triumphant in his destruction of the world. Moagim, through powers unknown, led the Myrkridian race into the world. He is responsible for those living nightmares hunting humans and lesser races almost into extinction. This terrible act ushered in the Wind Age - where the great cities of man and knowledge of the ancients became as dust to the wind. Now, as the Myrkridians are themselves being hunted and humanity's empire once again begins to flourish, Moagim has been Reborn. None even dare to think of the dreaded magics that must have been used to revive the spirit of this beast. The King of Nightmares, the Faceless Terror, Moagim the Horned has returned to plunge the world of Myth once more into the shadow of death.

(Credit Myth.Bungie.Org)

Personally, now thinking about it, it makes perfect sense. And we never DO really see Moagim's face; it's just like a void......

Now......DISCUSS!!!!

[Pyro]

Pre-release stuff is hard to take in account IMO... since its beta stuff.. GURPS is hard to take into account cuz its not Myth 1 or 2. But to each their own. The two missing Fallen Lords and four Avatara (not Avatar... that is the icons we use to represent us) are up in the air for anyone to make up.

[Lugas]

Avatar

Avatar!?!?!? Avatar?!?!!?!? It's Avatara! It never matters if there's more than one! Avatar for me, is a strange thing with an eye in the middle!
Never say Avatar if you refer to the Avatara in Myth!

The two missing Fallen Lords and four Avatara (not Avatar... that is the icons we use to represent us) are up in the air for anyone to make up.

Cool!
And then the Seventh Wave of Thrall climbed over the sliperry piled dead and Lugas saw The Angry Face and dispersal dreamed the lot of them!
Lol!

[Elfoid]

I still can't login and post damnit...

GURPS is Bungie lisenced and Bungie approved.

Don't count Myth III, its not Bungie ffs. I'd put GURPS over it anyday (most people would put GURPS are more likely to be accurate than M3 even if they don't like it) and the two don't agree. I made some complex calculations and Myth III's t imeline and hints in GURPS didn't fit together...I forget what cuz it was years ago but it just couldn't work.

[William Wallet]

I made some complex calculations and Myth III's t imeline and hints in GURPS didn't fit together...I forget what cuz it was years ago but it just couldn't work.

Hahhaha. You needed 'complex calculations' to tell you that GURPS and the MumboJumbo story didn't fit together??

I generally ignore both, because I didn't like Myth 3, and because no one will lend me GURPS. At the end of the day, I only really pay attention to the story of TFL. M2 wasn't so strong, story wise, I don't think. My interest lies with the Great War stuff.

And as for 'filling in' the gaps and making up extra Avatara or Fallen Lords... yeah - feel free to do it. I wouldn't do it myself because whenever someone else does it I usually dislike what they've done, and I can only imagine other people feeling likewise with whatever I make up!

[haravikk]

I think the faceless man was inherited from the Black Company books, one of the baddies in that I'm pretty sure was the faceless man.
So chances are they never really thought about who it would be, because they could only really fit in a few fallen lords into the two games.

And how do you know the Fallen Lord wasn't the head? The head could be the Fallen Lord and the title is actual a mean joke by the other Fallen Lords since technically the head is the Manless Face

[Pyro]

And how do you know the Fallen Lord wasn't the head? The head could be the Fallen Lord and the title is actual a mean joke by the other Fallen Lords since technically the head is the Manless Face

Yeah, its possible to think that the Light forces retrieved a Fallen Lord instead of an enemy of them. The Head fighting from within the ranks and known fallen from outside of the ranks.

And I agree with you Will about TFL story being better... seems more epic than the M2 one. Myth2 story is a good addition though.

[Soulytfs_1]

M1 Story say the head turned against the Light forces.


"Messengers reached us today saying that Maeldun has lost Bagrada and that The Deceiver crossed the mountains at the Stair of Grief. Worst of all, what's left of the Nine had it out with The Head, which had apparently been double-crossing them ever since they pulled it out of the ground last summer.

Something like a civil war erupted back west, too, as thousands of our own men unexpectedly rose to defend The Head. Two of The Nine were killed, which makes them something like The Three now, if you also subtract Murgen and Cu Roi, who did not escape the destruction of the Tain, and the others who have died this year."

[Gleep]

Ahh, Souly. You've reminded me of the maps I just HAVE to make: "The Battle for the Head" and "Trapped in the Tain".

[William Wallet]

"And I agree with you Will about TFL story being better... seems more epic than the M2 one. Myth2 story is a good addition though."

Indeed. As sequels go, it's pretty good, the story isn't too outlandish - it uses unresolved threads, rather than just making shit up and turning out any old dreck.
But as far as grandeur goes, it's a little less impressive and perhaps a bit of an anti-climax. The volcano bit is pretty cool but you have this fearsome ex-Fallen Lord and his girlfriend, you have this unstoppable Myrkridia thing... but then they get stopped. Like the Lord of the Rings movies (read : cavalry charge in Two Towers, the 'ghost' army saving the day in ROTK), it struck me as just too easy, too convenient.

"You've reminded me of the maps I just HAVE to make: "The Battle for the Head"

Hah not if I make it first.

[:) Da Cid (: McCl]

Moagim not being the Leveller in Myth III just sealed the deal for me. Load of shit, really.

-TGP-

[Horus]

GURPS = Rejected by hardcore Myth Fans, also has a number of errors that don't link in to TFL or SB.

M3 = Good try, but making a prequel is never a good idea if you aren't the original developers and try to use a more advanced system that 70% of the original fanbase can't use due to hardware issues.

[Welly (avoiding work)]

However the writers for M3 came up with their background material, I found it mostly intriguing and plausible. Some of the dialogue was not so great, and I never actually played the game itself, but what I've read (the intro material reproduced on myth@borg, etc.) was pretty cool.

Yeah yeah, I know: "Is this an old asylumer who is actually defending M3?" No, I just said it was a good read, and personally believe that it is not completely but nevertheless in many respects defensible (c'mon you know the M3 etymology of the Stair of Grief was awesome).

Btw I own Seabolt's expansive GURPS myth and I feel the same way about it also. Good buy, check it out one day.

[William Wallet]

However the writers for M3 came up with their background material, I found it mostly intriguing and plausible. Some of the dialogue was not so great, and I never actually played the game itself, but what I've read (the intro material reproduced on myth@borg, etc.) was pretty cool.

Yeah yeah, I know: "Is this an old asylumer who is actually defending M3?" No, I just said it was a good read, and personally believe that it is not completely but nevertheless in many respects defensible (c'mon you know the M3 etymology of the Stair of Grief was awesome).

Btw I own Seabolt's expansive GURPS myth and I feel the same way about it also. Good buy, check it out one day.

Well yeah.... some nice literature in M3 but the cutscene dialogue was SHITHOUSE, and I can't believe they only made 2 or 3 cutscenes.

I can honestly say that the Mjarin being the Leveller worked as a twist, because although I was suspecting him to be a filthy traitor, I didn't think he'd be the Leveller.
But - in a great big way, it *didn't* work because nobody wants a Pussy to be the Leveller. Moagim at least had the virtue of wielding a claidheam-mor.

I dunno.

[haravikk]

The problem with Myth 3 is that it answered too many questions. One of the cool things about Myth TFL and SB is that there are entire campaigns you don't see, and things that are left unexplained. While in M3 it's all going through answering questions left in TFL and SB and not introducing many of its own